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tohdom
11-03-2009, 06:08 AM
Lost Rewatch Episode Discussion for "There's No Place Like Home, Part 1"
(Nov 2 - Nov 8)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/There's_No_Place_Like_Home,_Part_1

Dr. Chameleon
11-06-2009, 07:26 PM
Just a few questions, no major observations.

Does Juliet honestly not know what the Orchid station is?

Why does Dan know about the secondary protocal? This suggests that he knew Keamy's team was there to kill everyone from the outset, so I still don't understand why he lies to all the 815 survivors the whole time.

Are Ben's mirror signals to keep them from getting shot at? Or is it to get Alpert to go help Kate and Sayid? Did Ben have some foreknowledge that he would need that mirror at that location at that time? Or is it just sort of a standard Others signaling point related to some perimeter around the temple?

Also it seems like Sun's vendetta against Ben was awfully short lived, although I guess once she believes Jin is alive she sort of needs Ben. Still, disappointed the way she got shortchanged in S5, and they still haven't been reunited!

tohdom
11-16-2009, 06:21 AM
Writers said that Dan knew about the Orchid because of his notebook.

I have another question, but maybe it would be answered in the next episode and i am just forgetting things.
How Keamy planned to torch the WHOLE island?! Or kill everyone on it?


oh and it was odd to see the Christial memorial after 100 days since he died!! No one would bother? Or it was a re-memorial just for Jack? And I am thinking after 100 days they all should have their funerals done by their families.

MM0602
12-03-2009, 04:36 AM
Very nice opening :)

I wonder if the temple is in the mountains where Ben was mirroring to? We saw that the temple WALL is in the jungle, but just how deep inside is the actual temple?

Black_Rock
12-03-2009, 06:18 PM
How about this....Why are the Other's clothes now complete rags, if we assume they left the barracks for the temple a few short days go?

Simon
12-03-2009, 07:07 PM
Yeah I've wondered why they changed back into the rags. The Losties already know the big secret anyway. I guess it's to fool the boat missionaries and keeping an essense of vulnerability about them.

Black_Rock
12-03-2009, 08:22 PM
Yeah I've wondered why they changed back into the rags. The Losties already know the big secret anyway. I guess it's to fool the boat missionaries and keeping an essense of vulnerability about them.

I was thinking maybe it had to do with some form of worship. I am just tossing this out, but maybe Jacob/Mr X requires it from his "subjects" while chilling in the Temple for some reason.

JD84
12-07-2009, 02:55 AM
Just a few questions, no major observations.

Does Juliet honestly not know what the Orchid station is?

Why does Dan know about the secondary protocal? This suggests that he knew Keamy's team was there to kill everyone from the outset, so I still don't understand why he lies to all the 815 survivors the whole time.

Are Ben's mirror signals to keep them from getting shot at? Or is it to get Alpert to go help Kate and Sayid? Did Ben have some foreknowledge that he would need that mirror at that location at that time? Or is it just sort of a standard Others signaling point related to some perimeter around the temple?

Also it seems like Sun's vendetta against Ben was awfully short lived, although I guess once she believes Jin is alive she sort of needs Ben. Still, disappointed the way she got shortchanged in S5, and they still haven't been reunited!

Juliet was just a Baby Doctor in the others she wouldnt know of the Orchid.

Dan knew form his notebook about the orchid. He probaly didnt know about the bomb, thats why he was shuttling people and himslelf to the freighter he knew the island was going to move but not that the ship was rigged.

I think the mirror was used in the fued with dharma. 15 years would've been 1989 a few years b4 the purge when times were tense. I agree its probaly a standard others lookout point.

Richard Was Here
12-10-2009, 03:05 AM
Just a few questions, no major observations.

Does Juliet honestly not know what the Orchid station is?
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Are Ben's mirror signals to keep them from getting shot at? Or is it to get Alpert to go help Kate and Sayid? Did Ben have some foreknowledge that he would need that mirror at that location at that time? Or is it just sort of a standard Others signaling point related to some perimeter around the temple?


These were two of my chief questions about this episode as well - especially that bit with the mirror. Who was up there? And for what purpose? I mean, there has to be a REASON why someone would be sitting up there, because it seems like a tremendous waste of Otherpower to have a guy just sitting up there on the off chance that Ben would come wandering along and signal.

I'm guessing 'permanent temple perimeter': that someone is always stationed up there and it's always manned - kinda like at the Looking Glass and the Flame.

But who knows?

Jacob'sWiseOldMother
12-14-2009, 07:13 PM
I didn't enjoy this part as much as the second part probably because there was just so much going on in the story line that it was crazy to follow!!

What I got from Daniel is that he knew of the secondary protocol that Keamy mentions to Captain Gault. I don't think he had the information in his journal about the secondary protocol from the folder on the freighter but he did have all the information about the Orchid and what it was. I'm sure he knew that it was vital to get people off the island because of Keamy and that he knew it was vital to get the science team off the island because of what the Orchid could do...move the island.

I liked the flashforward of the 06 arriving back and the press conference. It starts to fill in all these details slowly as we head into season 5. It was nice to see the little scenes of their lives off island and once again, it is only pieces of the puzzle. I especially enjoyed Sun and Jack's. Sun shows us that she doesn't intend to fall back to the same person she was before with her father and that was refreshing to see. Jack finally gets the reveal that Claire is his sister and I would have loved to see how Claire's mom came out of her coma but I suppose that won't ever be told. My theory is that "Christian" tells Claire her mother would be healed if she comes with him and leaves Aaron behind in the jungle.

I don't think that Juliet would know anything about the Orchid because Ben would have kept that a secret from most of the recruited Others. He told Hurley that going there and moving the island was a "measure of last resort" so it probably wasn't a place that was visited much during the days after the Purge.

Ben's purpose to signal the Others at the Temple(?) was probably his way of letting the Others know what was going on down below. I'm sure it was a message that was received by Richard and this is why we saw them show up to help Ben. Later on when Ben sees Richard he says, "Thank you for coming Richard." I think this explains the signal mirror and why the Others showed up when they did. Hurley also asks Ben about moving the island with Keamy on it and Ben replies, "I'm working on it." which to me says that Richard and the Others were needed to help kill Keamy and his group. The box of things was interesting. We know it had been 15 years since it was last used by Ben(?) and that would be roughly 1989 or after the Purge. We know that Charles was still on the island as leader since Alex would have been a baby still at this point. I just have to believe that this is where the Temple really is and that we will find out all about it in season 6.

After all the trekking going on at the island in this episode, I really wanted to see how they were going to pull it all together in the next one!!:)

Dr. Chameleon
12-16-2009, 02:26 AM
Juliet was just a Baby Doctor in the others she wouldnt know of the Orchid.

Dan knew form his notebook about the orchid. He probaly didnt know about the bomb, thats why he was shuttling people and himslelf to the freighter he knew the island was going to move but not that the ship was rigged.


I suppose that makes sense about Juliet, we've certainly seen a lot of secret keeping among the Others, the Dharma Initiative, and the 815 survivors as well.

I don't really understand where all the info in Daniel's journal comes from, so I'm hoping that will be explored a bit further, at least in terms of Eloise and her role in all this. There's that weird thing with the page of his journal in the Hydra, too. I just got S5 and need to get back on the rewatch soon!

locke-n-load
01-08-2010, 01:41 AM
One thing i got bugged about is jack. After learning you've been raising your nephew and abandoned your sister on the island, I was expecting him to be pretty gung-ho on finding claire all of S5

MM0602
01-08-2010, 04:20 AM
That's true, I wonder why nobody even mentioned Claire after they got back. Kate didn't even ask about her. Not to mention, none of the "left behinders" seemed to notice Aaron didn't come back.

Dr. Chameleon
01-08-2010, 06:23 PM
One thing i got bugged about is jack. After learning you've been raising your nephew and abandoned your sister on the island, I was expecting him to be pretty gung-ho on finding claire all of S5

Yeah, Jack's total interness upon arriving at the island is maddening. And he just takes it on faith that he's gone 30 years back in time? How very un-Jack like.

alexandra13
01-10-2010, 01:58 AM
Weird thing to me. They discover the fake aircraft and count bodies. Then the Oceanic 6 show up. No reporter questions this ?

sdorian
01-10-2010, 04:43 PM
What would Keamy do at the Orchid?

sdorian
01-11-2010, 12:05 AM
In the flashforward with Paik, do you think that "whoever did it used five different banks" means anything? maybe Paik ties into Widmore and Ben...this Hanso we never hear about... I like angry vengeful Sun. She's powerful - in a way that's much stronger than guns and fists. Someone mentioned earlier that she has reason to hate the other Losties: Charlie kidnapped her, Sawyer planned that, maybe Jack and Locke trusting Juliet and Ben...or Jack trusting the freighter people or...they suggested that Sun might have reason to make a deal with Widmore against the other Losties.

I also wonder if the next generation will come into play: Sun and Jin's daughter Ji Yeon, Des and Penny's little Charlie (I thought that naming was sweet). Sawyer's Clementine. and of course Aaron and Walt. Walt's special. We're told Aaron's special, and his mom is the daughter of Christian, who has a connection to the island. Ji Yeon was conceived on island. Little Charlie might have been born in orbit of the island, his mom is the daughter of Widmore, an Island original and his dad time travels. Clementine has no real direct specialness I guess. all have dad issues: Aaron (dad out of the picture), Walt (orphaned), Ji Yeon (kind of orphaned, parents separated in time), Clementine (Sawyer out of the picture). ok, I guess little Charlie's got a family.

Is the brown car Hurley's driving a Camaro?

Ben: Charles Widmore knows about [the Orchid] and knows that what we need is inside. So did Widmore send Keamy to the Orchid to stop Ben from turning the wheel? or to get Keamy to turn the wheel? something about the Orchid is going to kill everyone on the island and/or secondary protocol? We also know that Widmore wants to get to the island because he wants to get control of it back from Ben. I wouldn't think this would involve killing people on the island - so I think Ben made that up to keep everyone from handing him over to Keamy. Keamy did say he was going to torch the island...whatever that means.

Or primary protocol is to send the science team in to find and bring back Ben peacefully. Secondary is to send the army guys in to bring Ben by force. Weapons to overpower the Others. and Orchid because Charles knows Ben will head there to escape. and yet, Charles isn't surprised when Ben shows up in his room off-island, rather, expecting it. So he didn't need to send anyone at all if he knew Ben would come to him? or it was a plan to get Ben to come to him. (scratches head)

And the Orchid itself, the greenhouse cover. Dharma hiding stuff from the Hostiles, or DI hiding stuff from other DI? DI might not have known about the donkey wheel and moving the island. just a hot spot for time travel.

The Others don't leave tracks, so they must've wanted Kate to find them.

Wightpants
01-13-2010, 07:02 PM
In the flashforward with Paik, do you think that "whoever did it used five different banks" means anything?

I assume they were talking about Sun buying a contolling stake in the company.

sdorian
01-14-2010, 05:28 AM
I assume they were talking about Sun buying a contolling stake in the company.

oh yeah, good point.

Hopelessly Lost
10-30-2010, 08:23 PM
The mirror thing was Ben communicating to Richard about needing help.
I think the explanation Jack gave at he press conference about 8 of them getting out of the plane b4 it went under is supposed to go along with the plane at the bottom of the ocean. If there's suspicion that the plane at the bottom is not the real plane, then people would still look for it. Jack's story keeps everyone thinking that is the plane at the bottom, but 8 got out.

Scofield_316
07-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Heartstopping episode. One of my favoгrite.

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