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tohdom
11-03-2009, 06:09 AM
Lost Rewatch Episode Discussion for "There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3"
(Nov 2 - Nov 8)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/There's_No_Place_Like_Home,_Parts_2_%26_3

Dr. Chameleon
11-06-2009, 08:25 PM
I know the writers got slammed for this already, but it's frustrating the way they ignore their own continuity sometimes. Jack says Locke told him several things which we do not see in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham," which was probably an issue of them trying to squish too much into one episode. Locke does not say anything about Kate or Aaron's safety depending on them going back to the island, he only says that they need to go back to help the people who were left on the island. Frustrating. And while I get why Locke claiming to have spoken to Christian would set Jack down his crazy beardy path, the whole thing about Jack trying to crash land is squished into too short of a time frame. In this episode Jack tells Ben he spoke to Ben about a month ago. In the season three finale "Through the Looking Glass," Jack tells Kate "Yeah that golden pass that they gave us. I, I've been using it. Every Friday night I, I fly from LA to Tokyo or, Singapore, Sydney. [Laughs] And then I, I get off and I, have a drink, and then I fly home." Every Friday night. For about a month. So, like, four times? It just came off like he'd been a wreck for much longer. Am I nitpicking? I'm nitpicking. Oh, well.

Also, what's with the premise that they all have to return to the island? There's really no explanation for that even though it drives the plot of about half of season five. It comes off as a flimsy plot device. Maybe I'll change my mind when I rewatch S5.

So we hear the whispers again when the Others come to rescue Ben from Keamy. The first person we see swings out of the trees. I really, truly hope that the whispers are not explained by some kind of series of rope bridges through the trees that the Others use. Darlton, take note.

Getting back to earlier comments I made, is Jacob physically punishing Jack for trying to leave the island? Why does Locke not want Jack to leave, did he get some kind of message from Jacob? If I'm right that Locke recieves messages in dreams from the man in black, does he also get dream messages from Jacob?

We get our second glimpse at Miles' psychic powers, first when he knew Michael was lying about his name, now about Charlotte living on the island. Presumably neither of these facts came from him talking to dead people so he must have some aura/mind-reading ability.

The Orchid is identified as station 6, making it one of the original Swan/Pearl era stations. "Is this the magic box?" I love the way Ben treats Locke like a child in this scene.

More lies: why doesn't Hurley tell Walt that his dad is dead? I sort of get Locke lying but not Hurley.

Note to TV characters: if you want to make sure someone is dead, put a bullet in their head. See how it rhymes to help you remember? But if Alpert had made sure Keamy was dead, everyone on the boat would've died right then (at that point Sun, Aaron, Jin, Michael, and Desmond).

Ben really doesn't care if the boat blows up. In fact, it's probably in his favor if none of those people get away from the island. Locke, for his part, does try to stop Keamy, so it's nice to see him not acting completely selfishly.

Also, is it just me or does Daniel seem to think he's not going to make it back to the island after this trip. How does he know that and why wouldn't he just say so?

FARADAY: I'm leaving in ten minutes to take the next group of people to the freighter. You need to make sure that you're with me on that raft, all right?
MILES: Well, don't worry about me, 'cause I'm gonna stay.
FARADAY: Miles, no, uh, uh, I don't think I'm getting across the... direness of the circumstance.

JULIET: I promised I wouldn't leave until I got everyone here safely off this island. Relax. I'll still be here when you get back.
FARADAY: Right, right... when I get back

The appearance of Christian here is somewhat baffling, too. There are whispers (and no trees, *whew*), Christian appears to Michael and says "you can go now." Michael was working for Ben. Is Christian communicating on Ben's behalf? If we assume (like I am) that Christian speaks for the man in black, not Jacob, wouldn't that connect Ben with the MiB?

So now we find out how Ben ended up in the Sahara in "The Shape of Things to Come." Did he really think he could never come back to the island or was that just another lie? Locke is supposed to take his place as leader of the Others, but that won't last because of the time shifts that are about to start now that Ben has turned the wheel. I love how Ben says "I'm sorry I made your life so miserable" and then, you know, strangles him later with an extension cord.

The lantern in donkey wheel cave reminds me of the lantern at the cabin. "I hope you're happy now, Jacob" What's that supposed to mean? Why does Ben believe in Jacob if he's never seen him?

When the island moves, we hear pretty much the same noise as when the hatch imploded, and the same white/purple light. Why don't the Others move in time? And if John is one of them now, why does he move? Is it just me or does it sorta look like the island got sucked into the water?

I forgot how nasty the helicopter crash is. Hard to see how they survived that, especially Aaron.

Kate's dream is a bit confounding. Claire says "Don't bring him back, Kate. Don't you dare bring him back." Kate doesn't bring Aaron back. Does Aaron pose a threat against the man in black?

Jack refuses to believe what he sees. The freakin' island disappeared, man!

Finally Pen and Des reunited! It almost seems anticimactic, but it's still exciting. Yay.

tohdom
11-17-2009, 06:02 AM
i have a few issues with this episode.
Problem 1: no fuel in helicopter - most logical solution: go back to the beach and take the Zodiac
Problem 2: bomb on freighter - most logical solution: take something floaty, get all people off the boat in about 100 meters far from freighter - wait for the Zodiac, return to the island.
Problem 3: why someone bother to make red button on the bomb if no one suppose to see it by design? :)

Despite these minor writing fails, it is the awesome episode anyway.

karategrrl
11-23-2009, 04:07 AM
I can't help but think they survived the heli crash because none of them can die yet...You can go round and round about the whole Jacob/Ben/MIB/Christian thing...Who works for whom? Who are free agents...etc.

Illiana...Does she really not know who Ben is? How does she know which flight to get on?

Miles is awesome...

I think Dan didn't think he would return to the island because he thought keamy would be doing whatever it was he was going to do at the orchid before he got back...

And my fave...John always seems to end up looking like the fool. It's like the more time on the island, the dumber he becomes...

MM0602
12-03-2009, 04:40 AM
Haha I also loved "Is this the magic box?" "...No, John, it's not."

Second favourite finale. So much good stuff. Yunjin gets me every single time on the helicopter, it's so heart wrenching :(. I like how the flash forwards place all the O6 at the "present" time of the season 5 premiere, I didn't really clue in to that before, haha, only with Jack.

Annnnd Juliet the selfless misses her first chance to leave. Sigh.

Richard Was Here
12-10-2009, 03:25 AM
I love how Ben says "I'm sorry I made your life so miserable" and then, you know, strangles him later with an extension cord.

Chameleon, this is one of the funniest things you have written in the S4 rewatch threads! This one made me laugh out loud.

Guess I never really thought of this line that context....

Maybe strangling him with the extension cord was an Act of Mercy toward poor Locke? I mean, I don't think Locke could have taken a whole additional season of taking Ben's side-handed potshots. Ben definitely knew exactly how to push Locke's buttons. So maybe he was just having mercy on the poor chump?:D

Anyway, it's a theory. :p

I also agree with you about the fact that Richard should have shot Keamy in the head. I mean, I know they did it for dramatic effect to illustrate how 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' and all that: Richard taking out Keamy in order to save Sayid.....and that they also needed Keamy later on to have that final confrontation with Ben.

But still, this was just a tad bit lame. I mean, Richard is the most experienced Other of ALL the Others. You'd think he'd know that shooting a cold-blooded mercenary into a bullet-proof vest would not necessarily take him out for good. And Richard is just not that sloppy.

So bottom line - this part never really rings true for me. But it's a small nit, I suppose. I mean, this is probably the best fight scene in all of LOST - and the ONLY time I really feared for Sayid's life, up to that point in the show. Sayid had no real match on the Island before Keamy showed up...but Keamy v. Sayid was a a serious frakkin' contest! And it was kinda cool to see Richard save the day (albeit temporarily). :)

Also, I really like the scene where Sayid comes to bust Hurley out of the mental hospital in a flashforward. We don't know why, at this point...but it's cool to see Sayid watching out for Hurley in this way.

Finally...the bit where Jack refuses to accept the fact that the Island disappears? Wow. I mean, even a Man of Science can see that the bloomin' Island is frakkin' GONE! Hurley is not the brightest crayon in the box, most of the time...but even he gets the blatantly obvious. Come on, Jack! :rolleyes:

Jacob'sWiseOldMother
12-14-2009, 09:57 PM
I think the reason this finale seemed so rushed and confusing was that TPTB said during the DVD commentary about how much material they had written and needed to condense down into the time allowed. Season 4 was just a victim of circumstances and they all did the best they could with the time they had. This is definitely not a favorite finale of mine and we got what we did for better or worse.

Maybe it is me, but Jack screaming to Kate in the flashforward is just too much like Michael for me. :rolleyes: TPTB returned to that scene to sort of finish it off and reconnect us again off the island but I really hated it. The time line for all these off island scenes of Jacks just don't mesh well and that may be because of the way they separated the events and the dialogue.

Everything that John told Jack while he was in the hospital after his car accident was the truth. He needed Jack to "believe" but Jack was still in denial and messed up from seeing Christian and breaking up with Kate. Then when John mentions to Jack that he spoke to "Christian", Jack realizes that John may be right about things but Jack still isn't ready. John tells him that he was suppose to help him and when Jack fails him, John is really shaken and defeated as Jack was his last, best chance at getting help from someone.

The scenes on the freighter were okay and we had our "ticking time bomb" that was making everyone do things they normally wouldn't. Jin staying there to the bitter end happened because he was the victim this year of the idea....did he or didn't he die?? Michael did die and the visit by "Christian" this time sort of proved the results.

I liked the scene between John and Jack at the Orchid. It was John's futile attempt to convince Jack that he was once again making a big mistake by trying to leave the island. John says,"But you're not suppose to go home." and he was absolutely right. Jack still doesn't "believe in miracles" and John tells him, "Well, we'll just have to see which one of us is right." Even as Jack watched the island disappear before his eyes, he still could not believe. BTW, I think the reason we saw the island disappear into nothing is that the wormhole closed and took the island on a journey of jumping time lines since it is now off it's axle.

The Others did a super job of taking care of Keamy's supposedly bad guys very quickly. They are sort of the David to their Goliath and they didn't need machine guns to do it!! Every time they show up, we hear those whispers. The whispers are used as a distraction on their opponents and it almost seems as though the whispers are something/someone who helps the Others but is not seen by us or anyone who is not an Other.

I think the reason that Hurley didn't tell Walt about Michael, is that he was happy and comfortable in Santa Rosa once again. Hurley doesn't want anymore conflict and Jack made it pretty clear that they couldn't tell. Jack made the 05 believe that if they would only lie and not believe, then everything would be alright. Even John didn't tell Walt about his father and I think they were all just trying to protect Walt from the truth of more pain and suffering.

Ben knows exactly what the Orchid is and isn't. He knows that there is much more behind that wall than anything the DI ever knew about. So is this another one of the secrets of the island that only the Others know?? He makes fun of the DI scientists yet we see that Dr. Chang made the bunny disappear and as he says, "but in reality...." I think what the rest of the tape would have said is, " the bunny is still there but not seen." So why was Ben so indifferent to the DI since they seemed to have solved the mystery of time travel?

The difference between John and Ben is again evident in the Orchid. John tries to talk to Keamy and Ben attacks him and kills him even though it killed pretty much everyone on the freighter. All Ben has to say is "So?" Ben has no empathy for other people that don't serve his best interests.

We got a couple more flashforwards that filled in some blanks. These were all interesting and gave us some hints at season 5 material.

I loved Sawyer!! He saves the day for the helicopter people then swims ashore as if nothing happened. :D What a guy!! The act of that alone made him the new hero on this show for sure.

Jack was such a downer as the raft group was rescued by Penny's boat. But even with this, nothing could stop the reunion of Desmond and Penny as being the best scene of all in this whole finale. The ending was sad when we saw John but it only made me wonder what Ben was really up to off the island.

jimmy4815
01-05-2010, 07:23 AM
something that has bugged me but probably has a real simple explanation: why does keamy use his OWN boat as an insurance policy against Ben. to me this makes literally no sense...that boat is widmores and his last chance at finding the island so why would keamy think it could be used agaisnt ben??

Ricardus Alpert
01-05-2010, 07:32 AM
Probably my second favorite finale, after "The Incident." :)

Dr. Chameleon
01-06-2010, 12:21 AM
something that has bugged me but probably has a real simple explanation: why does keamy use his OWN boat as an insurance policy against Ben. to me this makes literally no sense...that boat is widmores and his last chance at finding the island so why would keamy think it could be used agaisnt ben??

Oh...yeah, that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Considering that Ben already let his own daughter die, why would he care about a boatload of Widmore's people?

jimmy4815
01-06-2010, 01:17 PM
yea it just seems random mainly because he is baiting ben about it at the orchid, as if it is some kind of threat agaisnt him. who knows possible signs of insanity kicking in?? but there must be something else to it IMO

Delameko
01-09-2010, 02:28 PM
We get our second glimpse at Miles' psychic powers, first when he knew Michael was lying about his name, now about Charlotte living on the island. Presumably neither of these facts came from him talking to dead people so he must have some aura/mind-reading ability.


I don't think he's psychic. I think the ghost of Libby was following Michael, and I think he could hear the ghosts of the island.



Also, is it just me or does Daniel seem to think he's not going to make it back to the island after this trip. How does he know that and why wouldn't he just say so?

FARADAY: I'm leaving in ten minutes to take the next group of people to the freighter. You need to make sure that you're with me on that raft, all right?
MILES: Well, don't worry about me, 'cause I'm gonna stay.
FARADAY: Miles, no, uh, uh, I don't think I'm getting across the... direness of the circumstance.

JULIET: I promised I wouldn't leave until I got everyone here safely off this island. Relax. I'll still be here when you get back.
FARADAY: Right, right... when I get back


Yeah, he knows he's not coming back because he knows people are heading to the Orchid - he knows what the Orchid can do (maybe not exactly, but it what it involves). After all, he knows about the secondary protocol, so he must know what's in it.

Delameko
01-09-2010, 02:34 PM
something that has bugged me but probably has a real simple explanation: why does keamy use his OWN boat as an insurance policy against Ben. to me this makes literally no sense...that boat is widmores and his last chance at finding the island so why would keamy think it could be used agaisnt ben??

Oh yeah. Not only that, but what happened to Michael's bomb?

I guess they changed direction over the course of the season. Makes me wonder if Michael originally was going to kill everyone on the boat, but they decided to let him redeem himself instead.

sdorian
01-11-2010, 06:03 AM
looks like the soldiers took Ben and left..no killing anyone else. and, who knows, maybe the soldiers would have lived if they just got on the chopper right away, instead of falling for decoy Kate and looking for people chasing her.

I don't know anything about bombs, but I figure they need a fuse. If you remove the battery, where's the fuse? No way they could move the bomb? put it on the zodiac, set it out to sea and move the Kahana away from it?

guess Walt must have just guessed that his dad went back to the island. The fact that the Oceanic 6 spent 3 years off-island gives time for Walt to grow up. But I wonder, in s.6, how they'd show 10 yr old Walt. or maybe they won't.

Pierce Chang has a different name in each video, making me think the people manned in each station didn't communicate with each other. I think Hallowax, Chang's Orchid name, was on the parka.

Widmore must have told Keamy what anthurium flowers look like. or Keamy left a spy at the Orchid.

Ben the archvillain, killed DI in the Purge, didn't care about the lives on the freighter or the Ajira flight... maybe Locke should question if Widmore is the threat to the island...

The end scene where Sawyer finds out the freighter exploded from Juliet on the beach - you'd think he'd hear/see it first out in the water swimming back.

Sawyer etc. would think that Kate and everyone else died...(yet they know they're alive off island and Locke's going to bring them back?)

Ben: Sorry I made your life so miserable...yeah, like trying to kill you only a couple times

Maybe Ben moves the island, instead of letting Locke do it, because he wants to get to Widmore to kill Penny Maybe that "who moves the island can never come back" line is a lie. Doesn't Locke find a different way to the wheel, when he turns it, that's not through the Orchid (I forget)? Ben said he's been to Tunisia before and he knows exactly how to move the island, so maybe he's moved it before.

And then the island unsticks some, but not all, people in time. not richard or the Others. and did all the redshirts (except Rose and Bernard) die on the freighter? Juliet said she wouldn't leave until everyone was off, so that makes me think there's more 815ers on the island. did Rose and Bernard skip in time?

every time I watch the helicopter crash, I'm scared for Aaron. no lifevest, no way you could hold onto him as you crash into the water...guess babies might be able to swim until someone can grab him...maybe Aaron's special...

oh and Sun's meeting with Widmore, she must know Ben's off the island - enough money to hunt him down.

anybody know what was said to futureKate on the phone? I'm sure that's Kate's worst fear, that, since she took the baby, she'll lose the baby. especially guilt over Claire. I hope Claire ends up ok with Aaron...

The "there's a boat" excitement, you'd think someone would panic it's the Others...coming for the boy.

I think they can pull off the lie, who'd believe the truth?

and did Des's flashes stop after the Constant?

sdorian
01-11-2010, 06:09 AM
I know the writers got slammed for this already, but it's frustrating the way they ignore their own continuity sometimes. Jack says Locke told him several things which we do not see in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham," which was probably an issue of them trying to squish too much into one episode. Locke does not say anything about Kate or Aaron's safety depending on them going back to the island, he only says that they need to go back to help the people who were left on the island. Frustrating. And while I get why Locke claiming to have spoken to Christian would set Jack down his crazy beardy path, the whole thing about Jack trying to crash land is squished into too short of a time frame. In this episode Jack tells Ben he spoke to Ben about a month ago. In the season three finale "Through the Looking Glass," Jack tells Kate "Yeah that golden pass that they gave us. I, I've been using it. Every Friday night I, I fly from LA to Tokyo or, Singapore, Sydney. [Laughs] And then I, I get off and I, have a drink, and then I fly home." Every Friday night. For about a month. So, like, four times? It just came off like he'd been a wreck for much longer.

Maybe the Locke/Jack encounter we see is the first one...and Jack starts turning into a wreck and taking flights...and Locke comes to talk to him again, which we don't see. so Jack last saw him a month ago, but Locke visited him a couple times.

sdorian
01-11-2010, 06:20 AM
But still, this was just a tad bit lame. I mean, Richard is the most experienced Other of ALL the Others. You'd think he'd know that shooting a cold-blooded mercenary into a bullet-proof vest would not necessarily take him out for good. And Richard is just not that sloppy.
Maybe Richard shot him in the bulletproof vest on purpose. Maybe Richard can't or doesn't want to kill anyone. maybe Richard's a saint or a ghost or something

sdorian
01-11-2010, 06:22 AM
I mean, this is probably the best fight scene in all of LOST - and the ONLY time I really feared for Sayid's life, up to that point in the show. Sayid had no real match on the Island before Keamy showed up...but Keamy v. Sayid was a a serious frakkin' contest!

I rewound it to watch the Sayid v. Keamy fight at least 3 times. It's pretty kickass.

sdorian
01-11-2010, 06:31 AM
where Jack refuses to accept the fact that the Island disappears? Wow. I mean, even a Man of Science can see that the bloomin' Island is frakkin' GONE!

I don't know. I think it's plausible that Jack doesn't believe the island moved. Smoke and mirrors. Magicians on TV make giant impossible things vanish. But most importantly, it's what Locke said to him. Jack's lying to himself. Jack is incapable of believing in miracles (when he maybe should've pre-island with Sarah). As religious people have incredible faith in that which they have no proof of, Jack has incredible faith/belief in "science", in the tangible and substantial. in the nonexistence of the supernatural etc. despite the miracle of Sarah, the crazy island stuff (a lot of which was physically caused by Others and themselves), and, of course, the Red Sox winning.

and/or Jack refuses to admit (now) that Locke was right. I think this all adds up to him becoming a wreck, because coming to believe in destiny and the island and all this magic and stuff shatters his established worldview, everything he grounds himself by. that and having to come to terms with destiny and fate and not being in control of his life. maybe that's what makes him suicidal, so he can at least control his death. (and Michael couldn't even do that)

(what Ben said about fate.)

Dr. Chameleon
01-12-2010, 12:47 AM
And then the island unsticks some, but not all, people in time. not richard or the Others. and did all the redshirts (except Rose and Bernard) die on the freighter? Juliet said she wouldn't leave until everyone was off, so that makes me think there's more 815ers on the island. did Rose and Bernard skip in time?

Er...have you seen season five yet? That will answer your question.


I think they can pull off the lie, who'd believe the truth?

Exactly. They're better off lying just so they don't get institutionalized (not that that helped Hurley). As Hurley so succinctly puts it in "The Lie":

HURLEY: Okay. See, we did crash, but it was on this crazy island. And we waited for rescue, and there wasn't any rescue. And there was a smoke monster, and then there were other people on the island. We called them the Others, and they started attacking us. And we found some hatches, and there was a button you had to push every 108 minutes or... well, I was never really clear on that. But... the Others didn't have anything to do with the hatches. That was the DHARMA Initiative. The Others killed them, and now they're trying to kill us. And then we teamed up with the Others because some worse people were coming on a freighter. Desmond's girlfriend's father sent them to kill us. So we stole their helicopter and we flew it to their freighter, but it blew up. And we couldn't go back to the island because it disappeared, so then we crashed into the ocean, and we floated there for a while until a boat came and picked us up. And by then, there were six of us. That part was true.

Wightpants
01-13-2010, 09:19 PM
...anybody know what was said to futureKate on the phone? I'm sure that's Kate's worst fear, that, since she took the baby, she'll lose the baby. especially guilt over Claire. I hope Claire ends up ok with Aaron...

From Lostpedia:


A male voice, speaking in reverse, says, "The Island needs you. You have to go back before it's too late."

Wightpants
01-14-2010, 07:11 PM
something that has bugged me but probably has a real simple explanation: why does keamy use his OWN boat as an insurance policy against Ben. to me this makes literally no sense...that boat is widmores and his last chance at finding the island so why would keamy think it could be used agaisnt ben??

Just listening to the DVD commentary for this episode, and Darlton postulate that it could just be Keamy being crazy, or it could be part of Widmore's instructions. So while he may not really have set up the bomb to try and manipulate Ben, he's maybe just trying to use it that way in the circumstances.

Also, the guy on Penny's boat who calls "Miss Widmore!" is the same guy who we saw in the arctic station at the end of season 2. Quite meaningless, but cool. :)

Just Thinking
01-21-2010, 03:08 AM
I like the repetition of "All right then" by Hurley before he leaves Santa Rosa with Sayid-something the Lost folk all seem to say as they make a life changing decision.


How does Sun know she should be mad a Ben for blowing up the freighter? Locke was the only one who was with Ben & Keamy at the time, and Locke did not speak to Sun back on the mainland.

And why does Faraday not seem to know what is written in his journal? Is it only because his brain is fried from CTT and he can't remember anything that's happened to him or what his own theories are?

jimc
04-13-2010, 12:37 AM
On the subject of Desmond's consciousness and when he's jumping, I watched "There's No Place Like Home" (1-2) last night. When the O6 et al crash from the helicopter, something different seems to have happened to Desmond. After Jack reorients himself (in silence underwater as he seems to come to), we see Hurley already on the raft (?) and Sayid yelling for help with Desmond, who has a head wound and is unconscious. Of course, Jack gives CPR. Desmond comes around, but he seems to have been somewhere else.

visiblehand
12-21-2010, 04:59 AM
What's the reason that this season had way fewer episodes?? I'm rewatching it on Hulu and I'm confused!

Dr. Chameleon
12-21-2010, 06:44 PM
What's the reason that this season had way fewer episodes?? I'm rewatching it on Hulu and I'm confused!

Production was halted mid-season due to the Writers Guild strike.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932008_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike

Dr. Chameleon
12-21-2010, 06:47 PM
This explains specifically how Lost was impacted by the strike: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Writers_Guild_of_America

(man, Lostpedia has everything!)

Fish1941
03-02-2013, 01:44 AM
Ben the archvillain, killed DI in the Purge, didn't care about the lives on the freighter or the Ajira flight... maybe Locke should question if Widmore is the threat to the island...


I believe it was Widmore who ordered the Purge. It is sooo his style. After all, he did send Keamy to the island to not only snatch Ben, but also kill everyone else. But after meeting the Dharma people in Season 5, I can see why the Others killed them. Widmore and the Others could have found another way to get rid of the DI, but I see why they killed those from the group.

Bob Verdansky
03-03-2013, 12:02 PM
I believe it was Widmore who ordered the Purge. It is sooo his style. After all, he did send Keamy to the island to not only snatch Ben, but also kill everyone else. But after meeting the Dharma people in Season 5, I can see why the Others killed them. Widmore and the Others could have found another way to get rid of the DI, but I see why they killed those from the group.
Could Smokey have ordered the purge?